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		<title>By: Andrew Preston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andrew Preston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What can Tin Coates mean......?</description>
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		<title>By: Tim Coates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Coates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all come to this campaign with some history and preconceptions about what we might think but Desmond makes a huge contribution (as do Andrew Preston, Alan and Shirley).  Among the many important observations Desmond makes is the imperative that we must all come 'on to the same page' in order to preserve and grow the public library service.  For some of us that means analysing what the priorities are in the case that we make and accepting that others come with different perspective. It is a Churchillian approach and has to be important and urgent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all come to this campaign with some history and preconceptions about what we might think but Desmond makes a huge contribution (as do Andrew Preston, Alan and Shirley).  Among the many important observations Desmond makes is the imperative that we must all come &#8216;on to the same page&#8217; in order to preserve and grow the public library service.  For some of us that means analysing what the priorities are in the case that we make and accepting that others come with different perspective. It is a Churchillian approach and has to be important and urgent.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirley Burnham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirley Burnham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 07:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Andrew Preston

Thanks.  I must agree with what you say, but still believe that Mr Clarke tends to listen and is a thoughtful man.  The acutely disappointing thing for me is that no-one in the current regime, except our local MP, has been at all responsive.  I am absolutely no fan of the Conservatives and their intentions.  Locally, we have been defending our libraries under a Tory council.  An appeal made to Ed Vaizey early this year was not, in retrospect, a bright idea.  The situation is utterly frustrating for anyone attempting to save a local library, constantly exhorted to protest to all and sundry with little or no result.  The political hay/chaff being made out of Libraries is most indigestable.  But our own Old Town Library in Swindon is still open, so it is well worth soldiering on.

The 1964 Act must stay in place and have clout.  

I, too, am currently shoving leaflets through letterboxes (hot tip: a small wooden kitchen spatula is useful to poke the leaflet through when there is a maddened dog throwing itself at the door from the other side).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Andrew Preston</p>
<p>Thanks.  I must agree with what you say, but still believe that Mr Clarke tends to listen and is a thoughtful man.  The acutely disappointing thing for me is that no-one in the current regime, except our local MP, has been at all responsive.  I am absolutely no fan of the Conservatives and their intentions.  Locally, we have been defending our libraries under a Tory council.  An appeal made to Ed Vaizey early this year was not, in retrospect, a bright idea.  The situation is utterly frustrating for anyone attempting to save a local library, constantly exhorted to protest to all and sundry with little or no result.  The political hay/chaff being made out of Libraries is most indigestable.  But our own Old Town Library in Swindon is still open, so it is well worth soldiering on.</p>
<p>The 1964 Act must stay in place and have clout.  </p>
<p>I, too, am currently shoving leaflets through letterboxes (hot tip: a small wooden kitchen spatula is useful to poke the leaflet through when there is a maddened dog throwing itself at the door from the other side).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Preston</title>
		<link>http://alangibbons.net/?p=723#comment-5510</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Shirley Burnham 

At the end of Desmond Clarke's post it says 'Leave a Reply'. It doesn't say 'Cheer Now'. And when someone extolls the so-called virtues of the private sector and its view of life, and simultaneously describes others as amateurs...., I assume that they can look after themselves .   My general view is that much of what Mr Clarke said, and the way he said it is designed to appeal to the proclivities of a Conservative viewpoint. Boards of directors, corporatism. I happen to believe that much of what has gone wrong in public services is the idealogically based attempts to make them sound and behave like images of for-profit business. 

For now, I believe that what is most important is to ensure the strength of the 1964 Act. I disagree with you over the the current government. The stated Conservative intention is to 'clarify' the Act. Which , taken together with various other aspects of their political positions, traditional and current, means a watering down. Probably force people to redirect their appeals to the new proposed  'agency to give a veneer of 'accountability'. The agency just another unelected quango, answerable only to the government, who in the case of the Conservatives wish by 'localism' to divest themselves of any responsibiliities. Underfunding, laziness and arrogance in action. Edwardianism. Keep them working hard just to keep their libraries in survival mode. And we'll get on with our real interests...., the bond markets. 

Hot air......  Not in Banwell the other night, a few hours before I posted here. Shoving leaflets through letterboxes in the freezing rain, destroying my street-cred with the orange Ikea umbrella......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Shirley Burnham </p>
<p>At the end of Desmond Clarke&#8217;s post it says &#8216;Leave a Reply&#8217;. It doesn&#8217;t say &#8216;Cheer Now&#8217;. And when someone extolls the so-called virtues of the private sector and its view of life, and simultaneously describes others as amateurs&#8230;., I assume that they can look after themselves .   My general view is that much of what Mr Clarke said, and the way he said it is designed to appeal to the proclivities of a Conservative viewpoint. Boards of directors, corporatism. I happen to believe that much of what has gone wrong in public services is the idealogically based attempts to make them sound and behave like images of for-profit business. </p>
<p>For now, I believe that what is most important is to ensure the strength of the 1964 Act. I disagree with you over the the current government. The stated Conservative intention is to &#8216;clarify&#8217; the Act. Which , taken together with various other aspects of their political positions, traditional and current, means a watering down. Probably force people to redirect their appeals to the new proposed  &#8216;agency to give a veneer of &#8216;accountability&#8217;. The agency just another unelected quango, answerable only to the government, who in the case of the Conservatives wish by &#8216;localism&#8217; to divest themselves of any responsibiliities. Underfunding, laziness and arrogance in action. Edwardianism. Keep them working hard just to keep their libraries in survival mode. And we&#8217;ll get on with our real interests&#8230;., the bond markets. </p>
<p>Hot air&#8230;&#8230;  Not in Banwell the other night, a few hours before I posted here. Shoving leaflets through letterboxes in the freezing rain, destroying my street-cred with the orange Ikea umbrella&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shirley Burnham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirley Burnham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before sallying forth to battle, first, identify your enemy.  Mr Preston really should investigate and will discover that Mr Clarke is not it.  Clarke and others who are fighting for libraries nationally have helped us to save our very modest one in Swindon's Old Town and many others.  I have never been patronised or sneered at by these decent people, but have been regularly patronised and sneered at by several lofty individuals representing both major political parties.  

Libraries are an egalitarian space, or should be.  We just want to keep them OPEN, for heaven's sake, for everyone's benefit.  

Political infighting and a consciousness of issues of class (which ought to be obsolete) have allowed and continue to allow injustices to take place, at a great cost to the whole public.  We all need community libraries.   Those who, erroneously in my view, look to the Shadows for a saviour are reacting in frustration to the inertia demonstrated by the incumbents.  

My 'beef' is that enough hot air is generated to finish off the planet, never mind the emissions contributed from animals' behinds.  By trying to put people in convenient boxes, labelling them and dismissing their contribution to the debate, we are side-tracked from the main aim.   I only wish we could make common cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before sallying forth to battle, first, identify your enemy.  Mr Preston really should investigate and will discover that Mr Clarke is not it.  Clarke and others who are fighting for libraries nationally have helped us to save our very modest one in Swindon&#8217;s Old Town and many others.  I have never been patronised or sneered at by these decent people, but have been regularly patronised and sneered at by several lofty individuals representing both major political parties.  </p>
<p>Libraries are an egalitarian space, or should be.  We just want to keep them OPEN, for heaven&#8217;s sake, for everyone&#8217;s benefit.  </p>
<p>Political infighting and a consciousness of issues of class (which ought to be obsolete) have allowed and continue to allow injustices to take place, at a great cost to the whole public.  We all need community libraries.   Those who, erroneously in my view, look to the Shadows for a saviour are reacting in frustration to the inertia demonstrated by the incumbents.  </p>
<p>My &#8216;beef&#8217; is that enough hot air is generated to finish off the planet, never mind the emissions contributed from animals&#8217; behinds.  By trying to put people in convenient boxes, labelling them and dismissing their contribution to the debate, we are side-tracked from the main aim.   I only wish we could make common cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Desmond Clarke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desmond Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not proposing, in any way, a private sector solution.  Given the expected cuts in public services and the vagaries of local politicians, some have rightly suggested new service models such as trusts to PROTECT public libraries. I would encourage readers to read the contribution by the former chief librarian and consultant, John Hicks, published in the consultation document.
 My reference to Thomson and Reed is that they have clearly found successful business models for the delivery of "have to have" information  and about 80% of the revenues of their professional publishing divisions are now derived from digital delivery. The success of services such as Lexus Nexus and the Web of Science contrasts with the early attempts of trade (consumer) publishing. There are many issues to be overcome before the e book starts to replace the printed word. I have suggested that the DCMS should set up an expert panel but the profession must be careful not to disregard the book in favour of possible false dawns. Their focus should be on satisfying the needs of those who increasingly rely on public libraries today and tomorrow.
 My regret is that those responsible in government have failed to develop a vision for public libraries in the 21st Century which is understood by the public and supported by  the strategic agencies, the profession and local politicians. That vision must recognse the unique and powerful contribution libraries make to a literate, well read, educated and informed society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not proposing, in any way, a private sector solution.  Given the expected cuts in public services and the vagaries of local politicians, some have rightly suggested new service models such as trusts to PROTECT public libraries. I would encourage readers to read the contribution by the former chief librarian and consultant, John Hicks, published in the consultation document.<br />
 My reference to Thomson and Reed is that they have clearly found successful business models for the delivery of &#8220;have to have&#8221; information  and about 80% of the revenues of their professional publishing divisions are now derived from digital delivery. The success of services such as Lexus Nexus and the Web of Science contrasts with the early attempts of trade (consumer) publishing. There are many issues to be overcome before the e book starts to replace the printed word. I have suggested that the DCMS should set up an expert panel but the profession must be careful not to disregard the book in favour of possible false dawns. Their focus should be on satisfying the needs of those who increasingly rely on public libraries today and tomorrow.<br />
 My regret is that those responsible in government have failed to develop a vision for public libraries in the 21st Century which is understood by the public and supported by  the strategic agencies, the profession and local politicians. That vision must recognse the unique and powerful contribution libraries make to a literate, well read, educated and informed society.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Preston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much of what you say is yet another exposition of how wonderful the private sector is. Presumably this explains why, just under 2 years ago, Reuters sold itself to Thomsons, because of concerns over its future financial performance. As in, perhaps, the knowledge that the easy gravy train might just about to be over in its business sector. The City. 

And certainly in my chosen work area for many years, freelance programmer, Reuters was a byword for its computer project management screw-ups, throwing money at problems to solve them.....  

The primary difference between public sector, and private sector, is that news media love to report public service messes, and  corporate incompetence goes mostly unreported, unless of course it's banking well terminal. 


And the subtext of most of what else you said is angled towards placing more high-value , payable services in libraries, cheap 'marketing makeovers' , a little bit of extra training for counter staff, attempt to disguise a starvation of the infrastructure elsewhere. Funny really, many people have commented on the political thinking around the Shadow Cabinet and their admiration for Edwardian values. For me , Edwardian values translate as "  the poor know their place  ". And a large chunk, in my opinion, of your scenario for libraries is one which really just emphasises when someone is poor. Which, in my opinion, is almost exactly the opposite of what libraries are supposed to be about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of what you say is yet another exposition of how wonderful the private sector is. Presumably this explains why, just under 2 years ago, Reuters sold itself to Thomsons, because of concerns over its future financial performance. As in, perhaps, the knowledge that the easy gravy train might just about to be over in its business sector. The City. </p>
<p>And certainly in my chosen work area for many years, freelance programmer, Reuters was a byword for its computer project management screw-ups, throwing money at problems to solve them&#8230;..  </p>
<p>The primary difference between public sector, and private sector, is that news media love to report public service messes, and  corporate incompetence goes mostly unreported, unless of course it&#8217;s banking well terminal. </p>
<p>And the subtext of most of what else you said is angled towards placing more high-value , payable services in libraries, cheap &#8216;marketing makeovers&#8217; , a little bit of extra training for counter staff, attempt to disguise a starvation of the infrastructure elsewhere. Funny really, many people have commented on the political thinking around the Shadow Cabinet and their admiration for Edwardian values. For me , Edwardian values translate as &#8221;  the poor know their place  &#8220;. And a large chunk, in my opinion, of your scenario for libraries is one which really just emphasises when someone is poor. Which, in my opinion, is almost exactly the opposite of what libraries are supposed to be about.</p>
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